冈瑟·斯坦纳(Guenther Steiner),Autodromo Hermanos Rodriguez,2019年

实施成本上限需要大笔罚款– Steiner

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在综述中:哈斯团队负责人Guenther Steiner表示,打破预算上限的处罚必须很高,以劝阻团队在引入预算限制时坚持支出限额 2021年F1赛季.

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I’m very confident because how does the IRS do it? I always go back to 那 one. And then if the penalties are big enough 那 if you get caught, 那 you don’做吧。如果您使用IRS来做,便知道去哪里– I mean, we cannot do 那 one but the penalties need to be sporting 和 financially this big 那 people don’t do it.

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I suspect he’s kidding himself is he thinks 那 the big three aren’t as advanced for 2021 as they are.

It’s concerning though 那 they’ve devoted a lot of resources to 2021 – 那 can’t possibly be good for 2020 和 I’d have thought they’d want a very positive year this year to have any chance of retaining 丹尼尔·里卡多(Daniel Ricciardo). Either 那 要么 they have him so integrally involved in the 2021 project he’ll have no choice but to see it through.

我对2021年后卫换岗的前景感到兴奋,但我不希望本赛季因团队过早转移工作而让本赛季毁于一旦,并允许一支球队占据主导地位,希望他们能够获得一个2021年的优势
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  • 27条评论“实施成本上限需要大笔罚款– Steiner”

    1. 似乎斯坦纳总是有时间咬一口。他是围场中最不忙的团队负责人吗?

      他必须等待法拉利和达拉拉设计大部分赛车。然后,他可以将剩余的重要设计任务分配给他的小职员– where to place the team logo, a sponsor logo (if there is one), create a new incomprehensible Pirelli setup 那 takes 20 races to unravel 和 prep for the next soundbite op.

      Seems fair 那 if the big teams must cut spending to meet the budget cap, 那 teams like Haas must increase their spending to meet the cap. Why isn’是否有规定的支出下限?

      支出不足对F1的影响与超支一样多 –可能更多。作为赛车运动的顶峰,我们真的想要节俭的球队赢得比赛吗?那’这对奢侈的表演不利。 ;-)

      1. 散布者 (@esploratore)
        2020年1月4日,1:30

        不知道这是否会讽刺,但有些团队只是’没有足够的钱来达到预算上限。

        1. @esploratore:是的,讽刺。和更多。如果这些低价滑冰队每年筹集数亿美元有困难,他们’我选错了系列。 F1没有’需要比表现更多的借口团队。

          更加讽刺,但有真相–我对预算上限的担心是F1沦为平庸的规范系列,只有几个定制部件。钱不是问题。世界充满了太多。它’促使人们明智地将大量资金花在一些有价值的事情上,例如将一圈的钱减少了十分之一。

          1. 我经常想知道为什么反对共享部分的人(根据多年来的规则允许–就像动力装置一直以来一样)对于由单个供应商交付的轮胎是特殊规格的轮胎也无话可说。可以很容易地得出这样一种情况,即赛车与赛车表面之间的接触点是赛车操作中最基本的方面,而规格零件就在那里很好。在我看来,您似乎真的想让F1成为三支或五支车队之间的比赛,并且这些车队必须由跨国大公司控制和资助。较低级别的比赛与您提出的建议之间的差距太大,以至于任何新兴团队都无法弥合,这意味着“feeder”系列变得毫无意义。开放式F1型赛车的结构设计应使TEAMS和驾驶员都能朝着“大时代”迈进。一世’我不赞成大型公司控制世界上的一切,而且我绝对不赞成他们定义和控制F1赛车,因为它们是唯一拥有进入和玩游戏资源的实体。你可以告诉我“that’真实世界的运作方式” but I think 那 we should aspire to 和 set our goals to achieve something better 和 more sporting than 那. Designing regulations 和 financial structures 那 lead to the elimination of teams with only $175 million to spend seems like a bad goal to work toward.

            1. @gwbridge正如Dieter去年年底在其文章中所评论的那样,随着单规格赛车系列的兴起,一支车队能够从初级系列晋升为F1的可能性实际上正在减少。

              In the 1980s 和 1990s, you had a wide range of chassis manufacturers 那 meant you had a wider talent pool of potential designers to draw upon 和 a relatively broad range of suppliers whom you could draw upon. Some teams could step up to F1 because they had been manufacturers in junior series, such as Formula 2, Formula 3 要么 Formula 3000, 和 had the internal manufacturing capacity 那 could then be turned to F1 –这类公司的例子包括March,AGS,Reynard,Lola,Dome,Footwork,Coloni,Onyx和Toleman。

              但是,现在,独立机箱制造商的数量已大幅减少–正如他指出的那样,独立底盘制造商的数量已下降至Dallara,Mygale,Tatuus,Dome和Crawford。其中,达拉拉(Dallara)是最主要的–如今,Mygale和Crawford大多只为地区性的赛车系列服务– 和, even then, it’很难找到初级开口轮系列,制造商之间要相互竞争(不仅在欧洲,而且在世界范围内)–美国和日本也看到了规范赛车系列的兴起)。

              现在有几支初级车队有能力设计和制造自己的汽车?无,本质上– they’依赖第三方,并且是按照他人开发的规格制造的汽车的运营商。当你看它的时候’s notable 那 there seems to be a breakdown in technical staff moving from junior series into F1 – it’似乎下面的划分和F1之间存在鸿沟,前者使用的是标准规格的汽车,后者主要是在一个孤立的泡沫中运行。

              即使他们有预算,初中系列中有多少团队实际上拥有升级所需的专业技术?

            2. Well, well, well ! @ANON dons the rose-tinted specs 和 suspects 那 there may have better times in the past. What is the world coming to ?

            3. @hohum,但有一些警告–拥有制造能力是一回事,但是知道如何正确使用它来提升至F1则是另一回事。

              It’s true 那 those teams could move up into F1, but some of those teams weren’即使在初中比赛中也特别有竞争力,更不用说F1–严重的资金不足和操作过度意味着他们注定要失败的F1。

              Only one of the companies 那 I listed there is still around in F1 –托勒曼(Toleman),在此之后的连续收购使其今天成为雷诺(Renault)。其余的相当多是摇摇欲坠的事情(AGS,Coloni和Onyx出现在这里),虽然从技术上讲他们可以升至F1,但其余的业务却无可救药地过分紧张。’非常适合进入F1。

              从某种意义上说,技能组合有些变化– in junior series, the larger teams there may not have the in-house capabilities to build a team 那 a team of the 1990s might have had, but on the other hand I would strongly suspect 那 outfits like Prema, ART 要么 DAMS are significantly better in terms of commercial ability 和 operational skills than a number of those teams were in the 1980s 和 1990s.

    2. 考虑到吉恩·哈斯(Gene Haas),斯坦纳(Steiner)具有讽刺意味的选择’与IRS的磨合;-)

      1. 在某种程度上’有点奇怪的评论,因为我可以’想象不到如果资金最雄厚的团队将违反规则,自由媒体会走这条路,因为支付一些微不足道的罚款并与荣誉共处会更便宜。
        根据 一级方程式网站,处罚分为三种:1)所谓的惩罚“procedural breach”,它没有提交预期的文档以供按时审核或存在错误; 2)A“轻微超支”, which seems to be exceeding the budget cap by less than 5%, but it also appears a 轻微超支 can be more than 5%; 和 3) is an overspending breach 那 is definitely in excess of 5%.
        The penalty for a 程序违规 is financial. The penalty for a 轻微超支 “可能是以下方面的组合:谴责,扣减建筑商和/或驾驶员的积分,禁止一定数量的比赛,限制测试(包括CFD和赛道运动)和/或降低成本上限。”
        If we assume 那 Guenther is wondering what Liberty might do if a team were to basically disregard the budget cap. Doing 那 will be considered worthy of a “…物质体育处罚,这是最严重的,因为它可能涉及上述所有因素,而且会被世界锦标赛排除在外。”
        我不’看不出规则有什么重大的flo漏,尤其是在资金最雄厚的团队中。

    3. COTD….
      Is this just an exercise on the part of C.A. to bolster the moral 和 standing of the team given 那 senior management at Renault / Nissan are likely planning a review of the program.?
      聪明的策略,我希望他能成功。
      戈恩(C. Ghosn)居住在新的地方“safe”避风港,我们可以期望在R-N总部看到一些行动吗? ?你打赌
      这正准备退出娱乐圈。

    4. Yeah I really see Max with Honda 和 RBR for a good stretch to see their partnership through with a fair 和 concerted effort, as in something like another 5 years. It just feels like they’re on the cusp of something really good. Of course there is the possibility, as has been reported, 那 powers above F1 at Honda may not want much more time there, but my goodness what a shame if they did leave soon 和 I can’t really envision them wasting all this progress with a premature exit when it’s all going in the right direction. And the way they speak of Max…

      1. 我真的无法想象(本田)过早退出会浪费所有这些进展

        明智的话,可能在2008年被少数人分享;)
        @robbie

        1. 为了进行比较,哈哈为好,他们的上一个赛季是9个赛季,其中最后三个赛季是制造商,而不仅仅是引擎供应商,因此他们的支出更高,然后全球经济陷入衰退。他们没有“ Max”上限,也没有打算进入全新的F1费用上限章节。希望,正如我所说,他们还有另外5个赛季。他们终于在本赛季赢得了一些混合时代的比赛。当然,如果他们失去了四个Pu供应商之一,那么所有F1都将受到很大的打击。麦克斯会站起来,但如果本田呆了一段时间,那对所有人来说还是很棒的。

          1. @robbie, if the company was in a difficult enough scenario 要么 felt 那 Formula 1 wasn’如果不能充分满足他们的利益,那就有可能发生。

            After all, when they chose to pull out in 1992, they had Senna to work with, had taken 69 victories 和 their engines had been in the WCC winning car for six years back to back. They were getting considerable publicity, 和 their association with Senna had opened up the South American, 和 particularly Brazilian, market to them, but they took the decision 那 those returns were not enough to justify the continued outlay at a time when their efforts in the North American market were encountering difficulties 和 the global economy was stuttering.

            同样,马克斯对本田削减计划中的F1项目的影响不会感到陌生–他只需要向自己的父亲乔斯询问本田’s aborted plans to enter F1 in the late 1990s, as Jos was the test driver for the RA099 那 had been developed, but a change in leadership within Honda, compounded by Postlethwaite’s death, saw 那 project cancelled at a fairly late stage to cut costs.

            您可以看到为什么有些人对本田汽车有类似的担忧,尽管有令人放心的话,但另一方面,在过去的几年中,规模更大的本田汽车公司承受了一定的财务压力。他们在2018年和2019年初遭受了重大财务打击,因为他们一直在试图重组其欧洲部门,尤其是他们提出了将其整个欧洲部门转移到2022年起纯电动插电式混合动力汽车的计划,而不是比2025– 那 three year acceleration in 那 programme will require significant investment from the company.

            Added to 那, their sales 和 profits in the latter part of 2019 were a bit weaker than anticipated 和 their current projections for the 2019-2020 financial year suggest a drop of a bit over 10% in profits (their forecast was cut from 770bn yen to 690bn yen). With the company under pressure to increase the amount of cost cutting to maintain profitability, whilst also engaging in a major restructuring 和 accelerating the development of new models in their European arm, it is perhaps understandable 那 some might be concerned 那 those focussing on cost cutting might axe the F1 engine division.

            1. @anon Hey we won’t know til we know, right? I think nothing is relatable to 92 when they had had a great run 和 it became time, 要么 otherwise with a leadership change. As I said in my first post of course there is always the possibility of them pulling out when 和 how they see fit, but to me it just doesn’t feel like 那 is imminent with them currently, in spite of whatever economic points there are at the moment to cause suspicion otherwise. I suspect it will now be quite a number of months before we hear anything more about their future, as for sure they are in through 2021.

    5. 巧合的是,我的超级大国’d最想拥有的也是传送,并且以跳跃的形式出现,就像在2008年的一部名为Jumper的电影中一样。

      1. @jerejj Ha, ha, yeah me too. Loved 那 movie.

        There is a TV show called Impulse about 那 superpower too.

    6. 可惜没有小丑司机的团队处罚…

      Harse对将在2020年带来什么废话?

    7. 达琳 (@)
      2020年1月4日,11:48

      当前形式的费用上限注定会失败。

      如果有人相信法拉利和梅赛德斯不会“hide”支出的一半,通过内部分配给其他部门或子公司– you can’t be more naive!

      1. @达林 我不’t believe you are right 和 I’ll take at least the attempt at making something unsustainable into something sustainable any day, over more of what they have been doing for decades. I’d be really surprised if a team were to blatantly 隐藏 ‘half’ their spending after agreeing with Liberty to the new way, but at least if they did there will now be penalties in place 那 didn’t exist before, there will be financial spot checks, 和 so there is now a risk of not just penalties but public accusations of cheating for the type of overspending 那 had only been looked at with a shrug until now.

      2. 伊恩·汤明斯(Ian Tommins)
        2020年1月4日,17:59

        There is going to be creative accounting. F1 is all about finding loop holes 和 working out how much the rules can be bent before you get into trouble. One such loophole could be doing research for road cars 那 is transferable to F1. That doesn’这意味着成本上限是在浪费时间。

        最近的文章把法拉利’预算为4.35亿美元,威廉姆斯则为1.25亿美元。费用上限将从1.75亿美元开始。我意识到关于什么是和不是存在一些复杂性’包括在封顶中,以及奖金将如何变化,但让’s take these numbers at face value for the sake of argument. Ferrari spend $175m under the cap. They find loopholes to spend a further $75m in ways 那 aren’被帽子盖住。威廉姆斯不受上限的影响,但他们现在正在与预算两倍(2.5亿美元)的团队竞争,而不是预算两倍的团队。赢了’这并不意味着他们立即赢得了比赛,但这应该有助于他们避免每场比赛都被淘汰。

        Once the cap is in place they can review how it is going, close loophole 那 they see being exploited 和 increase 要么 decrease it as appropriate.

      3. @达林 It’s not 那 simple. Besides, 伊恩·汤明斯(Ian Tommins) explains why even if your scenaria pans out, it’仍然比我们现在的预算缺口要好得多。

        The only thing I worry is 那 the smaller teams will simply go with half the budget. Since 那 would be enough to stay within 107% rule. Which will negate most of the whole point of the cap.

        尽管仍然应该有更多的团队能够获得接近1.75亿美元上限(+费用)的预算,而不是现在顶级团队花了将近5亿美元。

    8. 我没有时间让施泰纳(Steiner)暴徒,但他认为需要巨大的威慑力量是正确的。

      罚款额等于预算内滥用上限,然后将其平均分配给其他团队–实际上是双重罚款,而且下个赛季的预算上限也要减少违规金额。

      Perhaps also the inclusion of one excluded expense in future budget caps for 那 team, per offence …从最高的驾驶员薪水开始,然后是其他驾驶员,然后是从最高到最低的被排除的高管。

    9. 只需将罚款超支10倍即可。所有其他违反团队的5%’s budget.

      但是,这都是过去的情况,所有罚款将在去年的审计中适用’的数字。这样就不会像澳大利亚足球案那样对过去的事件进行惩罚。

      1. Alianora La Canta (@ alianora-la-canta)
        2020年1月7日,12:30

        Especially given 那 any retrospective penalty big enough to attract more than a shrug from the audience will likely be parsed in a similar way to the doping scandals cycling had in the 1990s 和 early 2000s, regardless of the facts of the case.

        这是因为无法及时知道是否发生了违规。“Sufficiently timely” would have to be “最后一场比赛之前’人们都知道s的结果,” 和 you can’•在相关财务期结束之前,惩罚某人因财务违规。

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